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The Wrath of God – When Does It Start?

Let me start by saying that I read the book of Revelation in order as it was written. I don’t do any complicated shifting of the text in order to fit preconceived notions. Let me also point out that nowhere in the text of the entire book does it tell us that we need to do so. That is man’s doing and not scripture.

The problem I have with those that don’t read Revelation in chronological order is the inability to adequately explain the following passages:

“And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.” – Revelation 8:1-2

My Bible clearly says that the Seven Trumpets are only given to the seven angels AFTER the Seventh Seal is broken. If we read it as it is written, there is no possible way for any trumpets to be blown prior to the breaking of Seal Seven. The next verse is also problematic to those that take Revelation out of its written order.

  • “And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.” – Revelation 11:15
  • “And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.” – Revelation 15:1

Again, the Seven Bowls are not mentioned until AFTER the Seventh Trumpet has already been blown. Until someone can provide a reasonable explanation, using the Bible, as to why anyone would take it out of order, I believe it should  be read as is.

The main point of this post is to explore exactly where the wrath of God starts. Many people believe that it starts with the Seven Bowl judgments, but I respectfully disagree. The following verse seems to clearly indicate the beginning of God’s wrath:

  • For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?” – Revelation 6:17

Here we have the opening of Seal Six and it is clearly stated that the “great day of his wrath is come”. If we look at the phrase “is come” in Greek, we get:

  • Erchomai – arrived, appeared, entered

Interestingly, this is the same word used to refer to the group that suddenly appears in Revelation 7:14. I actually believe that is where the Rapture happens. My double disc CD, Is The Rapture In The Bible, explains why I feel that is where the Rapture is mentioned in the book of Revelation.

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If Revelation 6:17 is taken at face value, this is confirmation that God’s wrath has officially started. The reason many people do not believe this is the beginning of God’s wrath is because of the following verse:

  • “And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.” – Revelation 15:1

It is the phrase, “filled up” that is the source of the disagreement. Many make the argument that these bowls contain all of God’s wrath. They also offer all kinds of reasoning as to why they take this position, but they rarely present the Greek text in their argument. Here is the phrase, “filled up” in Greek:

  • Teleo – bring to an end, completed, fulfill, accomplished, finished

There are actually quite a few more words that all refer to an ending, but we can clearly see that the Greek makes no mention of these being a beginning of God’s wrath. The Bible does a really good job at interpreting itself, and if we let it do its job, we find the following at the beginning of the verse in support of this being an ending and not a beginning:

  • “And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.” – Revelation 15:1

The Bible clearly refers to these bowls as the “seven LAST plagues”. If we compare Seal Six with the Seven Bowls, the Greek makes it 100% clear that one is a beginning and the other is an ending. The position that the bowls are the beginning can ONLY be maintained if one refuses to acknowledge the Greek in these passages.

It is important to understand where God’s wrath begins, because God has not appointed us (the Church) to wrath (1 Thessalonians 5:9). If that is true, and I believe it is, it explains why God’s 144,000 servants are sealed and an innumerable group of people from all over the world suddenly appear in heaven. All of this happens during the Sixth Seal. Don’t take my word for it, study it for yourself (Acts 17:11), and feel free to post your comments and let me know what you think.

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Soul-A-Month Challenge

All believers are called to WATCH, but we see that the televangelists and the faith healers aren’t trying to warn the Church of the coming deception. Moving forward this year, let us all make it our New Year’s Resolution, goal, etc. to at least attempt to wake up 1 person a month. At that rate and with our combined effort, there will be thousands of people per month that will be spared from spending eternity in hell.

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  • Minister Fortson says:

    I said that because some people try to rearrange Revelation to read like they want it to. They will say the 1st seal, 1st trumpet, and 1st bowl are all the same. They do that with all seven. That’s why I pointed out that trumpets don’t happen until after the seals. Bowls don’t happen until after the trumpets.

    January 26, 2011 at 10:35 am

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