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Demons – Where Are They Coming From?

There are a ton of questions in this post so I’ve taken the liberty of turning them all red for you to ponder on. Sometimes I like to sit around, think, and pray for hours on end. Today (01/11/11) its dark and cloudy out with a gloomy feel. A few minutes ago a thought hit me.

Where do demons keep coming from?

Let me admit upfront that as much as I try to separate tradition from scripture, this one is a little bit hard to do. Before I put the horse ahead of the cart, here is the verses I’m referring to:

  • “And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way. And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time? And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding. So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine. And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.” – Matthew 8:28-32

The demons know they have an appointed time of torment. Even more interesting than that is the fact that they knew the time line wasn’t right for their torment. However, that’s not the point I want to make. Before they were cast out, they negotiated a transfer into the swine.

Why did Jesus grant this request?

I have no idea why Jesus didn’t banish them to the abyss, but I assume that it has something to do with His forgiving nature. Once the demons were in the herd of swine, they ran off the cliff and killed them.

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Why did they kill the swine?

I assume that they wanted to shed the bodies while being as destructive as possible. There is still a more pressing question in this scenario:

Where did the demons go after that?

I assume they were moving on to inhabit something else, but the Bible doesn’t answer the question. This brings me to the main point of this post.

Many of us believe that demons are the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim. If that is true,  we could safely assume that pre-flood Nephilim were in the millions. Let’s also assume that post flood Nephilim were kept down to only a few thousand at any given time because of God’s intervention.

Here is where the problem comes into play. The Church has traditionally taught that demons can be sent to the abyss by rebuking or exorcism. Let’s assume for a moment that they can be sent to the abyss by these means:

Where are they still coming from?

If the pagan stories are true, they may explain why we have a constant supply of demons roaming the earth. According to the time line of stories referenced in, As The Days of Noah Were, the angels never stopped taking people. Most mythology only reports the taking of a couple of individuals at a time, instead of in mass like the pre-flood incursion.

While the above is an interesting possibility, I also recognize the possibility of one more. There seems to be fewer and fewer possessions reported, at least to the general public. Much of what we see in the news might be the result of possession, but we don’t know for sure. This leads me to the next question:

Have we put a dent in their numbers?

If hybrids were only being made a few at a time throughout history, it might explain why there don’t seem to be many reports of possession. The above verse about Jesus sending them to the abyss is what many Christians base their belief on that we have same power. I’m still unable to figure out if that is tradition or fact. If we consider all of the rebuking and exorcisms throughout history, they could be decreasing in number.

Are they just laying low?

I think it’s possible that they may be waiting for something big, but I can’t say for sure. Feel free to chime in and let me know what you think.

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  • Christopher says:

    @Minister Fortson

    When I wrote “cowards” it was because of anger. You’re right, M.F., it is not an accurate term for the nephilim. It is just that I hate bullies, especially a whole legion (5000 to 1!) of them; I tend to see human beings that bully and oppress weaker others as cowards – ultimately, deep down. But these aren’t fully humans, they’re hybrids, as you have pointed out. They have no trace of goodness or grace in them, because God never sanctioned them. The book of Proverbs informs us that God created each (human) heart individually, and this is not so with the nephilim. I think a better term for them would be “heinous”.

    I think Jesus allowed the Legion to avoid the abyss because He wanted those who witnessed the exorcism to realize how worthless to human life they are. So many today are channeling demons, thinking they have some valuable exclusive information to share. Some channel out of curiosity. Whatever the motive might be for contacting the so-called “ascended masters”, know this: the information they give is incomplete, mixed with deception, and in the end is of no true value. It’s just not worth it! I don’t know what subjected the possessed man to the Legion, and it may well have been that he was pursuing some kind of hidden arcane knowledge, but I know he did not receive from them what he bargained for!

    I was reading John 1 this morning, and saw in the passage that it is actually the nature of God to reveal valuable information to us, and in the nature of darkness to hide it from us. In Jesus life, He came to reveal. Darkness pounced on His ministry asap, attempting to “overcome”, or try to snuff out the truth and light being revealed. Ephesians 5:13 states that “everything made visible IS light.” Light is already there, but darkness conceals it via its own cunning, deception, and demonic stratagem. We have light we have because God has revealed it to us. If we don’t see or appropriate something that is already there it is because darkness has somehow cloaked it. It is illogical to seek light and knowledge from demonic extra-dimensional entities, because it is not in their nature to reveal or disclose valuable useful information. The knowledge they revealed in the book of Enoch, for example, was not ultimately life producing – it was death producing, and “incomplete”. That, according to God and from God’s point of view, renders it useless. We want complete and perfect knowledge, which can only come from its origin, the Father of Lights, the God of All Flesh, who says to us: “Call to Me, and I will answer you, and tell you great and mighty things you know not.” Jer. 33:3

    Why seek the dead on behalf of the living?, says the Lord, they have no light of dawn…

    Be Very Blessed,
    Christopher

    February 6, 2011 at 11:31 am
  • Minister Fortson says:

    Yes, the demons use to be part human according to the book of Enoch. I personally wouldn’t use the word “coward” to describe them since the Bible says they were once “mighty men of legend”. Other than that, I think you made a few great points. Thanks for posting.

    February 5, 2011 at 10:18 am
  • Christopher says:

    Jesus may have granted the request of the Legion because He was teaching His disciples something about the way they operate, and their true intentions for any who might think they are less destructive than He’d already taught. Notice that they immediately beg for mercy from Jesus, Whom they see as Tormentor, and yet for years, who knows how long, they have done little else but torment the man they have lived in – turning him into a virtual animal, probably loving every minute of it. Notice how much “begging” is going on in the passage, all the while they have ignored their victim’s begs – THEY ARE SUCH COWARDS. They destroy on purpose, but I believe they intend to torment their victims into destroying themselves, rather than forcing the human will against itself. This might be to damn them before God afterwards, as in David’s Bathsheba murder/adultery incident, when the Prophet Nathan told David that by his action, his own will, he had made provision for the enemies of God to blaspheme. We never see sin from that point of view: what it does to God, how it provides occasion for God’s enemies to slander His name. God has given human beings grace and the freedom to act and choose – we don’t instinctively do things, we will to do them. The swine had less, if any at all, ability to tolerate the Legion’s destructive demands; demons are under orders. It is the grace of God that prevents people captured by the devil from not doing what the swine did when Legion moved in. We are God’s possession – not any demoniac can claim to own us, because we bear the image of the Creator. It is that Image that they wish to scrawl their signature upon, but cannot completely. Jesus was revealing the mission of the demons, their intentional mission, and that the abyss is a dreadful fear for them. He is already punishing a great number of them there, though not all are there. It is striking to think these beings are collectively or in some divided state still in operation in the physical world. The fact that Jesus granted their request may have been also to teach us something about His authority over them. Some He chooses to imprison, others are sent into the a waterless wilderness. The book of Enoch states that they take no food, but hunger and thirst for it, which I suppose is very tormenting in itself.

    February 4, 2011 at 8:35 pm
  • Minister Fortson says:

    Thanks for your reply. I’ve already covered all of what you posted so I removed it from the comment so it wouldn’t be so long. I’m not asking where they came from originally, but where are they coming from now in context to the post that I wrote.

    January 30, 2011 at 8:49 pm
  • Darryle B Ware says:

    The word dead in the Latin Vulgate,Wycliff version and the Douay- Rheim bible
    Is translated Giants. Yes, the spirit that indwells a lot of these women are the evil
    Spirits from the dead giants. Holman Christian Standard translate the word dead
    As departed spirits. The Darby Translation says that soul of the dead are there.

    January 30, 2011 at 2:58 pm
  • Maury says:

    I think of Russ Dizdar.s book The Black Awakening. He also speaks of that “something big”

    January 19, 2011 at 3:08 pm
  • Minister Fortson says:

    Very interesting observations. When you mentioned Goodwill, stories of cursed objects came to mind. From time to time I hear about people having to remove objects from their home in order to stop demonic activity. As far as demons transforming themselves into angels of light. I’m not sure about that, but let me make it clear that I do not believe that demons and fallen angels are the same thing.

    January 18, 2011 at 9:32 pm
  • WILLIAM MCELWEE says:

    Matt 12:43 says when an unclean spirit comes out of a man, it roams through dry arid places in search of rest but does not find any. A dry place spiritually I don’t know what that could be, but in the physical I believe demonic spirits can in habit any thing or transform themselves into anything, even angels of light. In Exodus 7 :11 it tell where the magicians, and sorcerers cast down every man his rod and they became serpents, but Arons rod swallowed up theirs.. Perhaps even they can inhabit clothing that you may puchase at Goodwill, or a flea market, or a used mattress. An unsupecting buyer may think that they have found a good deal on second hand items, only to become demon oppressed or posessed. There is an excellent book thats been out for years that deals with all this called Pigs in the Parlor. this book deals with how to cast out demons, their nature, symtoms, conduct etc. This book is not for the casual reader.

    January 18, 2011 at 7:49 pm

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